As mentioned previously, if the rapture occurs with the opening of the 6th Seal, there's not a much better place to find an account of the just raptured Church in Heaven than in the chapter following John's account of this seal.  This chapter is like an interlude between the 6th and 7th seals, where John records a couple of other things he saw before the 7th Seal was opened.  Here's part of what he there records, from Revelation 7:

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  9   AFTER THIS I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 10  And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

 11  And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

 12  Saying, Amen:  Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever.  Amen.

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     According to scholars in support of the common pre-trib view, the "great multitude" of this passage is not the Church but those who will be saved during the seven year period of Daniel's 70th Week.  The primary reason for this interpretation is the following that one of the elders informs John of a couple of verses later:  "These are they which came out of great tribulation" (vs. 14).  It seems that for some, the phrase "great tribulation" has come to be seen as only able to mean Daniel's 70th Week.  We will be examining this particular phrase (along with the elder's statement) in PROPOSITION Z, but I would like to point out some other things here.

     First of all, it does not fit the context of what is taking place at this time that the great multitude John is here seeing would be those who will be saved during Daniel's 70th Week.  The truth of this is reinforced by the prophetic puzzle pieces we have seen that interlock with what he beheld at this time concerning the 6th Seal (e.g., Matt. 24:29-31, Acts 2:20, I Thess. 4:16-5:3)---something curiously absent in scholars' comments.  Further, the actual fulfilling of Daniel's 70th Week is not actually shown to begin until Revelation 11, which will be a focus in PART II.  Note that those who will be saved during that time are indeed later seen by John in Heaven, but at a time that undeniably fits with the context of what is then taking place (Rev. 15:2-4).

     Every bit as important to realize as the foregoing is the following:  It is out of tune with Scripture that "a great multitude, which no man could number" would be saved during Daniel's 70th Week.  Some believe these saved will be the result of a great revival led by the 144,000 sealed Jews, but where is the Scripture that indicates this?  Jesus likened the situation in the days of His return to that of the days of Noah and Lot (Matt. 24:36-39 and Lk. 17:26-30).  In those days, there was only escalating disregard and disdain for any pending judgment of God, and on the evidence of many scriptures, this will be the case preceding either event of Christ's return, whether it be at the time of His Sign Appearance or His Second Advent.  This bespeaks that, come what may---even Daniel's 70th Week---this world is going to continue on a path towards judgment and destruction, not revival.

     Consider, for example, John's account of the 6th Trumpet, beginning in Revelation 9:13.  After it is sounded, one-third of the remaining population of men will be killed, as he records in verses 15-18.  Then, a couple of verses later, he makes this observation concerning the rest:

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 20  And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues YET REPENTED NOT of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:  which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

 21  NEITHER REPENTED THEY of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

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     Paul, while speaking of the actual time of Daniel's 70th Week, gives no hint that there will be any kind of revival then, but to the contrary.  In II Thessalonians chapter two he writes:

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  8   And then shall that Wicked (the Antichrist)  be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming (His Second Advent):

  9   Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;  because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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     In accord with Paul's words, rather than much repentance toward God during that time, John sees much worship toward the Antichrist.  Consider the following from Revelation 13, which concerns the same time of which Paul speaks:

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  4   And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:  and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?  who is able to make war with him?

  5   And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;  and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

  6   And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in Heaven.

  7   And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:  and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

  8   And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

  9   If any man have an ear, let him hear.

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     And later, during the worst of the worst judgments---the pouring out of the vials of the wrath of God---there is still no evidence of repentance, much less revival.  Consider from Revelation 16:

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  8   And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun;  and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

  9   And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues:  AND THEY REPENTED NOT to give Him glory.

 10  And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast;  and his kingdom was full of darkness;  and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

 11  And blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores, AND REPENTED NOT of their deeds.

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     While Scripture certainly reveals that some will be saved during Daniel's 70th Week, it would seem that the numbers will be relatively few, or more like gleanings than like a great harvest.  Whatever the case, as I mentioned earlier, John does see in Heaven those who will get saved during that time and gives this account of them, in context with that time, in Revelation 15:

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  2   And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire:  and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

  3   And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty;  just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints.

  4   Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name?  for Thou only art holy:  for all nations shall come and worship before Thee;  for Thy judgments are made manifest.

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     In contemplation of these verses, if the great multitude John beheld after the opening of the 6th Seal is those who will be saved during Daniel's 70th Week, why for this account of them again, as if he is seeing them for the first time?  There is no solid indication that this is the case at all.  To the contrary, John doesn't recognize the great multitude in Revelation chapter seven, as he there makes plain in verses 13-14.  However, he recognizes right well who those are in the chapter 15 passage above, as he makes equally plain in verse two.

     Also noteworthy is John's beholding of the 144,000 in Heaven, which he gives an account of in the chapter just prior to the above.  Let's look together at what he records of these, in chapter 14:

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  1   And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

  2   And I heard a voice from Heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder:  and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

  3   And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders:  and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

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     Finally, does it not seem quite fitting that in such a revelation, John would also be shown the resurrected and raptured Church in Heaven?  If he was shown the 144,000 and those saved during Daniel's 70th Week (not to forget the two witnesses/11:12), why not a multitude many times greater than these combined, which we know would be there as well?  Indeed, I submit that he was, in that interlude between the 6th and 7th seals, in the same location of The Revelation where there are so many other points of convergence relating to the rapture.  Moreover, we know that the Church would easily be such an innumerable multitude.

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